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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:28:00 -
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:spookydonut wrote:Maybe you should have taken their warnings seriously and only entered one team. Solid advice right there. The TEST and GSF teams practice together, and share setups/fits/tactics. Are we going to be banned from participating as well?
Sigh. I think MB3's app to TEST's tournament team got denied (not by me). Durr who has never shown up for a practice or shown any interest in our AT team is using it as ammunition to support Hydra.
Never change TEST. Never change. Absolute chaos. This is like an extension of our internal forums.
For the record we stole one setup from Goons so far. It had Proteii in it and we have never flown it. And they beat us 80% of the time. We can't even get pilots with the trained skills to fly our own setups. Goons are clearly the superior team at this point. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:03:00 -
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Lemster wrote:Leeloo Malaquin wrote: - HYDRA and OB are not a single entity. They are 2 different entities on TQ with their own history. CCP knows this very well. We worked together closely in AT9 but with the new rules we were only planning to test together(unless told we can't do it) before the tournament begins.
If you watch last years final carefully I think you'll find that for tournament purposes you are one entity. +1 CCP
From someone who has watched every match from last year at least 6 times and gone over the killboards for most of them, I concur that for the purposes of blatantly stealing your setups you are one team.
We have stolen and analyzed pretty much every setup/match you have fielded/been in./. There are really no differences between the two teams. You did that Vindicator thing at the end almost as comedy. My complements on your metagaming, it was almost "as you say" too good.
My only comment is that if you would have bashed each others faces in and the winners made hip thrusting motions at the crowd of fans, then you are providing the sort of online tournament entertainment that people expect.
When you stop shooting half way through a match in the finals in a Starcraft Tournament... well I think you see my point. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:38:00 -
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xo3e wrote:Quote:Who is going to win? We find out soon! pandemic legion or pandemic legion ? or maybe pandemic legion? so entertaining
With the drone changes maybe they can make that HAM Tengu / Gila team work this year. I have a soft spot in my heart for both those ships. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:25:00 -
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If you are Hydra or Outbreak this sucks.
If you are CCP you are probably still somewhat confused as to what Hydra / Outbreak really expected to happen when they did the same thing that precipitated the creation of the rule in the first place.
If you are a fan of EVE you love a good controversy leading up to a big event.
If you are me you are probably chuckling that a GM defense is not really a defense. :bitter:
If you are a fan of metagaming then you should love the irony of how making a terrible, terrible, terrible decision lost last year's 1 and 2 teams the tournament before the tournament even started.
If you are a competitor you are probably happy that the strongest 2-headed monster (swidt? (hydra) ) has been removed from the pool.
Such an interesting event...
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:44:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote: Its not about CCP or who in the company talk to who. Its about player alliance, in this case Hydra and Outbreak, as far as they concerned they had OFFICIAL response from CCP, then CCP goes and bans them. If this response by GM is ignored it sets a bad example that it does not matter what the GM tells you in game, someone else from CCP can completely revert his decision and ban you.
I see you are new here, welcome to EVE.
Hydrabreak know the score. GM responses are pretty much worthless at the end of the day. Zeee logs show nuthingZ.
Using a GM response as a defense is justification. They KNEW that the rule got put in place because of what happened last year. So they thought they could do the same thing and get away with it?
They made a bad decision. It was not IF CPP was going to pull the plug. It was WHEN. Were they going to wait until the tournament started? Until the finals? No, they pulled the plug as soon as the teams demonstrated nothing has changed, business as usual.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:49:00 -
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Pallidum Treponema wrote:Were Hydra and 0utbreak stupid to merge into a single corp on SiSi for the tournament practice?Yes. Did they have malicious intent?I don't know. I want to believe that they did not. Were CCP stupid to make such a harsh ruling, and sticking with it even after learning about the GM response?Yes. Did they have malicious intent?I don't know. I want to believe that they did not.
Well at least you are kind enough to point out they may actually be stupid. I suppose that is better than malicious.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:56:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Time Funnel wrote:
If you are a competitor you are probably happy that the strongest 2-headed monster (swidt? (hydra) ) has been removed from the pool. .
With the exception of darkside, who had to change their pants, I dont think anyone in the AT agrees with this decision.
Then you probably don't want to win. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:04:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote: You are in Test and you are calling me new? And I don't care about your personal experiences with GMs, the idea is that their decisions and responses to petitions are OFFICIAL. It may not work that way all the time, or any of the time for that matter, but that is precisely why we need to voice our concerns, otherwise we just let CCP off the hook with their inconsistent approach to moderating the game.
Yeah well you are preaching to the choir. I was simply pointing out that this has been a problematic area for quite a while now. GMs saying things that do not reflect CCPs stances for whatever reason. Undefined interactions between customer support, devs, GMs, etc. If you have any experience with the game at all you know that what a GM says means literally nothing when it comes to a big issue.
If you have put a rule in place to prevent the kid 4 doors down from firing pumpkins into your yard, and the kid starts building another huge slingshot at what point do you take action? Probably right away. You won't wait for the pumpkin to land in your living room.
I can comment on all this from the comfort of my armchair and watch good juicy drama unfold in forums other than TEST forums. And maybe help it along once in a while. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:22:00 -
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Dear GM:
We at HYDRA RELOADED and Outbreak. would like a pre-ruling on the activities that we have planned during the time leading up to the tournament. We will outline everything we are planning on doing and wait for an official response before taking any action.
We would like to have the members of [Alliance A] join the corp of [Alliance B] to facilitate logistics and testing inside the wormhole that we have selected on Singularity server. This is for logistical purposes only. This does not mean that we are the same team. It is a relationship of convenience, not an indication that we share setups, leadership, or anything of that nature. It is only to facilitate our sparring.
We understand that the reason that this rule was put in place was due partly to our apparent collusion in last year's Alliance Tournament (AT IX). The last match was done through agreement and created an un-entertaining final for the tournament showcasing CCPs product. We can assure you that the actions that we are taking this year, while exactly the same actions as last year, do not mean that we will collude or pre-arrange fights or outcomes in any fashion. We believe that you can accept on good faith that our intentions are nothing like last year even though our actions are almost identical.
We are also sending this letter to the appropriate parties at CCP and we would hope you would consult with [List of VIPs] before giving us your ruling. We know we are already under the microscope and if we make any false step we will get squished.
Sincerely,
The letter writer you should have had to prevent this whole terrible situation from happening in the first place.
PS. If you remove us from the tournament we are going to cry.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:04:00 -
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Karbox Delacroix wrote:I also like how Sreegs seems to imply that reducing logistics is somehow dishonest because other teams have to work harder. I'm pretty sure any small alliance has to work harder per person compared to Goons and PL. Those guys are loaded and they have the numbers so logistics and procurement are not as big a burden.
Or TEST. Don't forget about us. We don't even bother with wormholes, that is how little we work.
Don't pick on the little guys you CCP meanies!
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:31:00 -
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Evelgrivion wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:Hydra Outbreak Reloaded should STFU finally and get over the fact you have been banned from an official event you ruined last year. Even miscommunication with GMs shouldn't be reason enough to let you participate in AT again, EVER. You are banned and its good the way it is, DEAL WITH CONSEQUENCES. In response to this, and other posts like it, why are you guys so vindictive and angry at the previous champions for doing well enough in the previous tournament to secure both slots of the final match?
I think that the previous champions are the ones angry here. Just sayin' |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:38:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:CCP official who's on my skype
Hey one of you guys was looking for a batphone. Kadesh has one. I don't have one. I am jealous AND out meta-gamed.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:39:00 -
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Evelgrivion wrote:Time Funnel wrote:I think that the previous champions are the ones angry here. Just sayin' They certainly are angry, and I honestly don't blame them for it. What I don't understand is why so many people are making statements like "they should be banned from ever attempting to participate in the alliance tournament again," etc.
People making statements like that are often referred to as "Trolls"
I am also a Troll. So pay attention to me and keep talking to me. |
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Posted - 2012.05.25 22:40:00 -
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Altaen wrote:Time Funnel wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Time Funnel wrote:
If you are a competitor you are probably happy that the strongest 2-headed monster (swidt? (hydra) ) has been removed from the pool. .
With the exception of darkside, who had to change their pants, I dont think anyone in the AT agrees with this decision. Then you probably don't want to win. Or, maybe they want to win against the best.
Test Alliance, Best Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.25 22:58:00 -
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Oh and I love how everyone refers to the two independent alliances as "Hydra".
Outbreak is clearly the dominant force. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:03:00 -
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HYDRA RELOADED and Outbreak. (Refered to commonly as Hydra) seem to be missing the point. I still think that Outbreak. is the better team, but everyone calls them HYDRA.
It is not about words, statements, a-teams and b-teams. That is the way the rule is "worded" (which you are harping on) but that is not the point. Since you seem to be too dense to understand the meaning behind the rules, perhaps I will lay it all out for you in an easy to understand format which highlights the key points.
It is about COLLUSION.
Since you seem to not know what that is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion
And if you are too lazy to look at that here you go:
Collusion is an agreement between two or more persons, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage.
Now what you did last year is you DEMONSTRATED a PATTERN of COLLUSION which NECESSITATED a RULE CHANGE which INCONVENIENCED a lot of LEGITIMATE TEAMS this year due to its IMPLEMENTATION. COLLUSION is BANNED in most tournament formats including poker for the UNFAIR ADVANTAGE that it give teams WORKING TOGETHER over the rest of the FIELD.
What you are doing this year is EXACTLY THE SAME as what you did last year, and CCP had NO CHOICE but to ban you.
Yes, you guys made a mistake. Karma is a *****.
Also to summarize what is going on in this thread.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BHHAHAHWWWWHHAHAAAAAAAAA WHAAA WHHAAA WHHAAAAAAAAaAAAAAa |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:16:00 -
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Raimo wrote:Ding feeble 20 page thread o/
Considering the special interest group carrying this thread on I would say that the crying is strong.
Man up. Take your medicine. Don't do it again.
Stop crying. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:20:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok".
Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever?
A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:26:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified?? Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules.
There were changes to the AT10 rules because of what happened in AT9. Does this help? |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:29:00 -
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Edenmain wrote:
Awwwww and there we go, an admision of bitterness. Last year we did nothing wrong , no cheating nothing that was described in the rules as cheating. Yeah might have upset a few people with the final blah blah.
Funny stuff!
That is like saying a judge is "bitter" and "holding a grudge" for enforcing a rule that may as well be called the "Hydra Rule" because it was put in place for what you did last year. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:36:00 -
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Hroya wrote:If they were cheating then that would be awesome. I mean come on, this is EvE, if you-Śre not cheating you are concidered a carebear. Cheating, changing the deck, misinformation, manipulation, bending rules, that is what we ( most are i presume ) enjoy about this game.
You cant honestly expect that all those dirty bastards go play by the rules all of a sudden, can you ? It's ATX by the way, a milestone in AT's. It should be grand, awesomesauce, highly entertaining and a big pr boost in some form or fashion. It should (could) be an event to insert some enjoyment and mutuall laughter by ccp and the participants. Not a collection of threadnoughts and tarnished perspective for people out there.
Good job if you catch people setting up schemes to do something "wrong", but please go a bit easy on the punishments. Ease up a little. There are proberbly shennanigans going on you might not even detect in time. AT's past, present and future cant be regulated by just rules.
This discussion wont get a satisfying conclusion from eihter side, everyone just claims and blames, not one from eihter side comes forward and says they were wrong, lets fix this. Instead it's an endless debate about rules, interpretations, accusations and what not. Sorry, but that doesnt look mature from eihter side.
It's not a battle of wits or a game of power here, it's about ATX and making it great.
I plea to both sides to consider some maturity and refrain from slanderous propaganda back and forth. It's not going to get anywhere and only tarnishes what should be a great milestone.
Live by the metagame, die by the metagame. You make a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, decision to flaunt the rules with some flimsy response from a GM and what do you really ******* expect. I mean comeon.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:40:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Can you just state why the CCP Alliance Tournament team chose not to respond to them, but responded to other emails.
Translation: Just give me a victory. Give me some satisfaction. Anything. I need to be right about something! I need to blame someone for something! |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:41:00 -
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Intigo wrote:Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Can you just state why the CCP Alliance Tournament team chose not to respond to them, but responded to other emails. I would love to know this too. And the fact that he has yet to address anything about CVA considering to do the very same thing we did and thinking it was well within the rules (as we did).
CVA should be banned! They did what we did! We were banned! THIS IS SO TERRIBLY UNFAIR.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:43:00 -
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Typhu5 wrote: But now i am only tired reading this thread.
Amen brother. This troll is moving on. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:00:00 -
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Intigo wrote: I don't want CVA banned, they are awesome guys. I am using them as an example, simply. You should be able to see how silly it is that 2 teams get instantly banned over something that 2 entirely different entities had considered doing thinking it was well within the rules.
If you think that you are under the microscope because you were a large part of the reason that the rules against collusion got put in place you are probably right.
What do you really expect to happen? I mean seriously.
Sure you are good at this game and at tournaments. in fact you were the primary archetype that I used when putting together a team for this year, examining your setups, methods, and whatnot.
But you made a tactical mistake. And someone hit you with the rulebook. Overall it sucks, but they needed to stomp out collusion. It gives people an unfair advantage in a tournament format.
If you thought for a minute one guy on "Team Liquid" in Starcraft was soft playing his senior member on the same team during a final, there would be fan outrage. That is not fair, balanced, or good for anyone involved.
When a rule changes there is inertia. I believe this is the inertia.
Sorry you were made an example of. Move on. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:01:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Time Funnel wrote:Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Can you just state why the CCP Alliance Tournament team chose not to respond to them, but responded to other emails. Translation: Just give me a victory. Give me some satisfaction. Anything. I need to be right about something! I need to blame someone for something! Please point out where I'm lying. Screegs goes from "you're wrong about the facts" to trolling once I do actually post the facts. I thought it's supposed to be the other way around ?
Please point out where I am saying you are lying.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:14:00 -
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Edenmain wrote: So people not in the same corp but who are working together aren't colluding?
I'm looking forward to seeing how CCP or Shregs, whoever, are going to police all forms of colusion, hacking TS/vents? Hacking into forums?
The most heinous crime of all, having the same corp ticker on SiSi! Mother of God.
How you going to stop collusion then Shreegs?
Here is a man who explains it so much better than I can.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1357442#post1357442
That guy wins at eve. And probably life. |
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:21:00 -
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Sahjahn wrote:So how come you didn't get banned for calling Tish an idiot?
Not personal enough?
Oh no, double standards, i forget, and of course, goons.
Oh hello Raiden(dot). Are you BoB Mk 4 or 5? I really have lost track. UMAD I assume after losing all your space? IT are back, but I guess they don't have a (dot) in their name, so you are not really interested in them. Spewing lightning bolts from your fingers is way cooler I guess.
Apparently we didn't slope you hard enough. You still are clinging to a station in Vale I see. Oh and one in Geminate too! You are nothing if not stubborn.
I have noticed a pattern. You used to win by packing 150 capitals into a node that could only support 250 people, making fights impossible. Then you used to win by dropping Titans on everything.
While you may not be gone, you are certainly not very relevant. You will know if you ever get relevant again when you get steamrolled. Again. |
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote: Ease of logistics. Setting up POSes, getting ships hauled in, getting right hangar access set up etc. etc. takes ages of time and having to redo this several times during the course of the tournament as SiSi updates (how often does SiSi update anyway? every week or so is what I thought....)
Doing that for two different towers takes twice as long as doing it for one. If you have two guys (one for each team) doing the logistics and it takes 100 hours every fortnight, but you could make it so each guy only spends 50 hours every fortnight, that gives you more time for life/theorycrafting/training etc.
Wow, so you WEREN'T colluding like you were last year. So sorry. It is just WAY EASIER to operate as one entity and not two. That way you don't have to come up with new and original setups and can share resources like intel, theorycrafters, and logistics. |
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